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Post by Dreadlocksmile on Aug 20, 2009 10:13:00 GMT
I know nothing about the publishing/printing process. But the book itself is of a very high standard. The pages are all on good quality paper and the cover/binding is very good. As a whole its of a very good standard.
Could you really produce such a high standard of printing for a small print run and still make a profit? I would have thought to make the books commercially viable, they'd have to print at least a thousand or so...
But as I said...I know nothing about this sort of thing.
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Post by shaun on Aug 20, 2009 10:19:55 GMT
As a new issue has now been 'published' with Simon Kurt Unsworth's story taken out and others added, it would suggest to me that there wasn't any print run and that the book is actually a POD book, which would make it easy to change. It would also explain the high purchase price as POD books are more expensive and you only print one when it's ordered.
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Post by Dreadlocksmile on Aug 20, 2009 10:28:45 GMT
As a new issue has now been 'published' with Simon Kurt Unsworth's story taken out and others added, it would suggest to me that there wasn't any print run and that the book is actually a POD book, which would make it easy to change. It would also explain the high purchase price as POD books are more expensive and you only print one when it's ordered. Whoooow....slow down there... There's alread a new edition surfacing??? I read in Simon's blog that GWP would be taking out his contributions in a second run, but I had no idea that they were already on their way with this... Secondly...excuse the ignorance...but what's a POD book? Thirdly, how do you know the second edition will be a lower price than the first? Am I missing something? On the GWP site it still shows the same price/edition: www.ghostwriterpublications.com/page18a.htmlYou authors and your bloody insider knowledge...
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Post by shaun on Aug 20, 2009 10:35:47 GMT
As a new issue has now been 'published' with Simon Kurt Unsworth's story taken out and others added, it would suggest to me that there wasn't any print run and that the book is actually a POD book, which would make it easy to change. It would also explain the high purchase price as POD books are more expensive and you only print one when it's ordered. Whoooow....slow down there... There's alread a new edition surfacing??? I read in Simon's blog that GWP would be taking out his contributions in a second run, but I had no idea that they were already on their way with this... Secondly...excuse the ignorance...but what's a POD book? Thirdly, how do you know the second edition will be a lower price than the first? Am I missing something? On the GWP site it still shows the same price/edition: www.ghostwriterpublications.com/page18a.htmlYou authors and your bloody insider knowledge... I didn't say the second edition would be a lower price. I said being POD would explain the high purchase price. A POD book is 'print on demand' which means if someone orders a book, it's printed. Hence the high cost of printing, compared to an offset print run where thousands of copies are printed at the same time to bring down the cost. If the book had had a big print run, then the cost would be lower, and of course, the book would be widely available and advertised as the publisher would want to sell the copies to recoup the costs. With POD, apart from purchasing an ISBN and cover art, there is no cost to the publisher.
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Post by ian on Aug 20, 2009 10:38:00 GMT
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Post by Dreadlocksmile on Aug 20, 2009 10:43:15 GMT
I didn't say the second edition would be a lower price. I said being POD would explain the high purchase price. A POD book is 'print on demand' which means if someone orders a book, it's printed. Hence the high cost of printing, compared to an offset print run where thousands of copies are printed at the same time to bring down the cost. If the book had had a big print run, then the cost would be lower, and of course, the book would be widely available and advertised as the publisher would want to sell the copies to recoup the costs. With POD, apart from purchasing an ISBN and cover art, there is no cost to the publisher. Ahhhhhh...as is so often the case, I got the wrong end of the stick once again. Can they do such a high quality book on a POD basis? Cheers for the insight btw! P.S. My early edition might become a bit of a rarity!!!
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Post by shaun on Aug 20, 2009 10:46:22 GMT
I didn't say the second edition would be a lower price. I said being POD would explain the high purchase price. A POD book is 'print on demand' which means if someone orders a book, it's printed. Hence the high cost of printing, compared to an offset print run where thousands of copies are printed at the same time to bring down the cost. If the book had had a big print run, then the cost would be lower, and of course, the book would be widely available and advertised as the publisher would want to sell the copies to recoup the costs. With POD, apart from purchasing an ISBN and cover art, there is no cost to the publisher. Ahhhhhh...as is so often the case, I got the wrong end of the stick once again. Can they do such a high quality book on a POD basis? Cheers for the insight btw! P.S. My early edition might become a bit of a rarity!!! A POD book looks just like any other book, just slightly larger in most cases. And if the publisher was contracted to send each contributor 6 copies, if they were POD books he would have to purchase each copy (at a slightly reduced rate as the 'publisher') but it would still cost quite a bit of money when you times 6 by the number of contributors, which might explain why the contributor only received one copy.
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Post by garryc on Aug 20, 2009 10:58:02 GMT
I would agree on the POD way of produces the books here. Even printing houses that do litho printing (traditional) now have digital printers to do this, but it does keep the price per unit higher.
POD books are, on the whole, not disimiliar to normal runs, but the differences are noticable eventually. The laminate on digital printed covers starts to peel away from the cover and looks horrible (you should see my copy of 20th Century Ghosts from PS Publishing).
When you say good quality paper do you mean very clean and white looking, smooth?
But its not about quality its about GWP's ability to print a handful of books and then claim they are a publishing house when its obvious they are upto something else.
They have been lucky to keep Willie on the payroll for as long as they have, but he seems happy to sign away rights on ebook releases that he could have released just as easily himself and kept the rights... madness.
Let me tell a little a story....
Once upon a time there was a pretend publisher who could sell sand to arabs. But one day an author questioned his reasons and morals. The pretend publisher shouted at the author that he wasn't interested in publishing only the rights he could sell on.
The author walked away and tried to tell other authors what was happening but everyone kept on going with blinkers on. They were blind to the fact that the website.... the ebooks.... the printed at home chapbooks were just enough to make the publishing house look real.... enough to sell on movie rights and then shut up shop... leaving them with nothing... not even the rights to their own work.
The End
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Post by garryc on Aug 20, 2009 11:02:33 GMT
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Post by Dreadlocksmile on Aug 20, 2009 11:04:15 GMT
When you say good quality paper do you mean very clean and white looking, smooth? Yep yep...the paper is all thick, glossy and smooth. I presume this means that it's even more likely to be POD. Let me tell a little a story.... Once upon a time there was a pretend publisher who could sell sand to arabs. But one day an author questioned his reasons and morals. The pretend publisher shouted at the author that he wasn't interested in publishing only the rights he could sell on. The author walked away and tried to tell other authors what was happening but everyone kept on going with blinkers on. They were blind to the fact that the website.... the ebooks.... the printed at home chapbooks were just enough to make the publishing house look real.... enough to sell on movie rights and then shut up shop... leaving them with nothing... not even the rights to their own work. The End Shit man...that's a pretty scary story. Is this really the case?
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Post by garryc on Aug 20, 2009 11:09:24 GMT
No it means its on the cheapest paper you can get. For true quality you want Monkton paper... check out Filfth Kiss by CJ Lines to see what I mean.
That paper is cheap and makes the book extra heavy... most respectable printers won't touch it
As too my story being true... Its a very strong fear I have and is why I have gone on such a crusade. I just wish I could print all my findings.
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Post by Dreadlocksmile on Aug 20, 2009 11:29:29 GMT
As too my story being true... Its a very strong fear I have and is why I have gone on such a crusade. I just wish I could print all my findings. Firstly I just bumped up your Karma one notch to make you feel appreciated for your one man crusade. I sooooo hope that you're wrong about GWP, but I can't help but think that you may well be 100% correct with your little story. I've had a number of emails from Neil Jackson telling me that my remaining items on order will arrive "soon". I still have two items outstanding since the beginning of June. It's been going on for quite some time now. I frigging well hope they arrive. I was soooo shocked when 'Creature Feature' finally popped through the door.
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Post by shaun on Aug 20, 2009 11:32:34 GMT
As too my story being true... Its a very strong fear I have and is why I have gone on such a crusade. I just wish I could print all my findings. Firstly I just bumped up your Karma one notch to make you feel appreciated for your one man crusade. Er, hello! The first person to withdraw his work here who has also been posting.
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Post by Dreadlocksmile on Aug 20, 2009 11:38:17 GMT
Er, hello! The first person to withdraw his work here who has also been posting. Sorry Shaun....you just seem to blend into the background sometimes... JOKING!!!! Don't want any tears now...
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Post by shaun on Aug 20, 2009 11:41:02 GMT
Er, hello! The first person to withdraw his work here who has also been posting. Sorry Shaun....you just seem to blend into the background sometimes... JOKING!!!! Don't want any tears now... I'm like a ninja. I guess that's because I once trained with them in my youth. ;D
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